[of-dev] free VS2011 will be crippled

Neil Mendoza neil at isthis.gd
Fri May 25 07:03:18 PDT 2012


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On 25 May 2012 14:41, Theodore Watson <theo at openframeworks.cc> wrote:

> C::B is def not perfect.
> some possible c::b alternatives which might be good to look at?
>
> Netbeans: http://netbeans.org/features/cpp/index.html
> Codelite: http://www.codelite.org/ &
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/codelite/
> or eclipse??
>
> all updated regularly.
>
> One thing about the free VS edition is it doesn't support 64bit - which
> would be key when OF finally moves to 64bit.
> So that would be another problem down the road despite the new
> announcement.
>
> On May 25, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Elliot Woods wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > No good themes
> >
> > Debugging takes a different strategy to VS as different tools available.
> >
> > VS is the standard for windows c++ dev so binary libs on the net are
> commonly for vs and not gcc. E.g. Is there a gcc lib for kinect SDK?
> >
> > I found that error messages are often non descriptive (runtime crashes,
> compiler/linker errors).
> >
> > The interface is clunky/ugly (personal opinion of course) and the folder
> management doesnt sit well with me.
> >
> > I love 'pin to source' watches in VS
> >
> > VS has a much bigger community (this might change!) which makes tracking
> down issues and learning more fun / better resourced.
> >
> > I love the idea of a 1:1 windows:posix development though.
> >
> > Hooray for free IDE's that volunteers have sweated over, that's a huge
> win.
> > VS is my favourite though :(
> >
> > Elliot
> >
> > Sent by touchscreen
> >
> > On 25 May 2012, at 12:27, Pierre Proske <pierre at digitalstar.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Just curious Elliot,
> >>
> >> What is it that you dislike so much about Codeblocks?
> >> I've used VS extensively, in fact I'm using it for a project at the
> moment and to be honest I do like some the autocompletion features and the
> debugger, but I don't feel any great pain going over to CB.
> >> CB is much simpler and cleaner in comparison to VS and XCode. You
> rarely have to spend hours wrangling with weird preferences and hidden
> options to get things going ( both of which I've had to do with the
> previous two on the admittedly rare but very frustrating occasion).
> >>
> >> Photoshop vs Gimp is a whole other argument.
> >> Photoshop is definitely superior to Gimp, hands down. But 95% of the
> time I'm using Photoshop for something Gimp would do just as easily. And
> Gimp loads way faster than photoshop.
> >>
> >> Not trying to start a debate, just like to hear your opinion.
> >>
> >> p.
> >>
> >> For beginners I would say its preferable.
> >>
> >> On 25/05/12 19:46, Elliot Woods wrote:
> >>> Dropping support for VS11-free is inevitable as it doesn't support
> OpenGL
> >>>
> >>> VS11 standard is $500
> >>>
> >>> Code::Blocks is ... sigh. Depressing
> >>>
> >>> I think more likely the changes to the windows c++ community caused by
> this decision will likely affect the ecosystem of free IDE's. Hopefully
> tothe point of viable alternatives. I just don't feel like trading in
> Photoshop for gimp :( yet.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Elliot
> >>>
> >>> Sent by touchscreen
> >>>
> >>> On 25 May 2012, at 09:57, Christoph Buchner<bilderbuchi at phononoia.at>
>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I think what it means in any case is that we should make sure that
> developing with free IDEs (e.g. Codeblocks, Eclipse) on Windows is fully
> supported in OF, so that people who don't want to shell out 500$ for an IDE
> are not impeded, i.e. there's no _need_ to get VS11 to be able to use OF to
> its full potential.
> >>>> In light of this, I think it's important to think about how to handle
> things like C++11 features, which apparently will not be available in the
> VS11 free edition: If we don't want to hold back the rest of OF (on all
> other OSes) because we can't use these features with VS11-free, what
> remains exept dropping support for VS11-free, and offering proper
> alternatives?
> >>>>
> >>>> greets,
> >>>> christoph
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri 25 May 2012 10:33:46 AM CEST, Elliot Woods wrote:
> >>>>> Hmm... Let's see how this works out
> >>>>> I think we should drop VS if people stop using it, not because we
> think people might.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Or is this in protest for free software?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Apple computers cost considerably more than PC's, blah blah.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cash ain't no king
> >>>>> Elliot
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent by touchscreen
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 25 May 2012, at 06:06, Joshua Noble<joshuajnoble at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> This is baffling and making me a bit sad as I really like Visual
> >>>>>> Studio as a development IDE. Sigh.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Kyle McDonald<
> kyle at kylemcdonald.net>   wrote:
> >>>>>>> one minor clarification: the product in question "visual studio
> 11" not "visual studio 2011" :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Friday, May 25, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Kyle McDonald wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> this story has been evolving today:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/05/no-cost-desktop-software-development-is-dead-on-windows-8/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> but here's the original post from last week:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> https://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/archive/2012/05/18/a-look-ahead-at-the-visual-studio-11-product-lineup-and-platform-support.aspx
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the idea is that microsoft wants developers to focus on creating
> windows 8 "metro" apps, which is a sort of "limited" app that can be
> deployed both on the desktop and the windows phone, and can be sold in
> microsoft's app store (metro doesn't support opengl, so no OF+metro).
> they're going to make the free version of visual studio only support metro
> app development, whereas the real deal will be $500.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> VS2010 should still work for a bit, but if microsoft doesn't
> change their mind about this it makes me think we should drop support for
> VS, and focus on mingw + c::b on windows.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> kyle
> >>>>>>>
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